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New CPSC Regulations on 24" and smaller bikes
by dotca
Posted: Jan 19, 2009
Some of you may have heard about these new regulations and thinking what are they, and what/who do they impact? There is stuff popping up all over biking websites about these new regulations, and people asking questions about it. I got a little inside info about it from the BMX coordinator at Norco Bikes.
Read on to find out more about these new regulations.
Read on to find out more about these new regulations.
Basically, CPSC is a new law/regulation that makes it so all toys have to get tested for lead in their paint. You are most likely thinking 'toys', bike are not toys. Well, the sad truth is that anything with the wheel diameter of 24" and under is certified a toy.
These rules are all not that bad though in the context they were made for. It's simply to prevent kids from getting levels of lead in their bodies if they lick or put toys in their mouth. Dumb, I know. You are now thinking, why not change the way a BMX bike or 24" MTB is certified so it's not a toy. It's harder then you think, and bike companies can not do it or else it would have been done by now.
These regulations are implemented by the USA, and all products being sold in the USA have to under go tests to make sure they have less then 600ppm of lead in the paint. You are saying just sort it out and choose frames and parts just for the USA. Companies have no idea which frame or part out of their line will reach the USA, so they have to test all batches of products. These new rules come into effect on February 10th, 2009. So, all companies that don't sell all their products that don't fall under these regulations by then, will have to destroy all their products as it will be illegal to sell in the USA.
The costs of the samples are insanely high, as they are $1500 a sample. Will this mean that prices of bikes and parts increase? We do not know that as of now. Some companies may have to increase their prices to adjust to the cost of each test. If the company raises costs, it won't effect just the products sold in the USA, but everywhere else too. Most of these companies are trying to not push their prices up, but instead decrease funding in certain areas to make up for it. Some are just going to suck it up, and not increase prices or decrease funding in any areas. The one thing you WILL notice is the decrease of different colors and less and less LTD colors. Expect more white and black parts in the future of BMX.
Some of you may also be thinking, will this see the end of some smaller companies? Most likely the ones already out there will stay, but expect less start up ones coming out. Also, will other countries follow these ideas? Who knows right now, but most likely there is a chance.
So, overall, when you go to buy new parts and you notice the price has increased or they no longer make the color you want, keep all this in the back of your head and realize that it's not BMX/MTB companies doing it. It's the new regulations.
-Dotca aka Ryan
Haro BMX
These rules are all not that bad though in the context they were made for. It's simply to prevent kids from getting levels of lead in their bodies if they lick or put toys in their mouth. Dumb, I know. You are now thinking, why not change the way a BMX bike or 24" MTB is certified so it's not a toy. It's harder then you think, and bike companies can not do it or else it would have been done by now.
BMX Parts
These regulations are implemented by the USA, and all products being sold in the USA have to under go tests to make sure they have less then 600ppm of lead in the paint. You are saying just sort it out and choose frames and parts just for the USA. Companies have no idea which frame or part out of their line will reach the USA, so they have to test all batches of products. These new rules come into effect on February 10th, 2009. So, all companies that don't sell all their products that don't fall under these regulations by then, will have to destroy all their products as it will be illegal to sell in the USA.
The costs of the samples are insanely high, as they are $1500 a sample. Will this mean that prices of bikes and parts increase? We do not know that as of now. Some companies may have to increase their prices to adjust to the cost of each test. If the company raises costs, it won't effect just the products sold in the USA, but everywhere else too. Most of these companies are trying to not push their prices up, but instead decrease funding in certain areas to make up for it. Some are just going to suck it up, and not increase prices or decrease funding in any areas. The one thing you WILL notice is the decrease of different colors and less and less LTD colors. Expect more white and black parts in the future of BMX.
Stem
Some of you may also be thinking, will this see the end of some smaller companies? Most likely the ones already out there will stay, but expect less start up ones coming out. Also, will other countries follow these ideas? Who knows right now, but most likely there is a chance.
So, overall, when you go to buy new parts and you notice the price has increased or they no longer make the color you want, keep all this in the back of your head and realize that it's not BMX/MTB companies doing it. It's the new regulations.
-Dotca aka Ryan
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cdavis
(Jan 19, 2009 at 16:54)
Dumb regulations If I say so myself. Who the f*ck would lick a bike frame?
*facepalm* Lead is in 99% of all paint out there, especially the ones in Taiwan and China and stuff were companies out source their manufacturing too.
Damn, Am I gonna die!? I licked my bike frame tonight, and yesterday night, in fact I do it all the time. Stupid Health and Safety regs always shitting up stuff!
thats bad for you American guys but for us British (who are smart enough to not lick a frame) we're all good haha
any parts they cant sell in the us just ship them to canada we would be happy to take some slightly deadly parts
with bmx in olympics, I was thinking that
they considerate it more like a sport :S
but, why not under 20''
they considerate it more like a sport :S
but, why not under 20''
I kiss my bike often, i do not want lead poisoning! This is just more burocratic B.S. to get money out of bike companies.
Is this affecting Canada?
Is this affecting Canada?
well at least if this is enforced for canadian companies, they can sue the US for all the profits lost under the NAFTA agreement as a trade subsidy. american companies on the other hand are SOL.
I'm not going to even bother with that stupid comment. There is nothing wrong with Haro and it's what was in my album.
Would the government rather me lick toads? Note to self: buy cool painted shit now (while I still can). 24" bikes are toys??????? Clowns.
Just a-wondering,
Could companies market their products as mountain bike and get away with it? (like stems, seats, posts, bars etc.)
because you can still run them on a 26"...
Could companies market their products as mountain bike and get away with it? (like stems, seats, posts, bars etc.)
because you can still run them on a 26"...
yeah probably but they'd still have to have stupid colours on the frame which is the most important part... well unless they get a non lead based paint to spray it with.
and this applies to products being manufactured and distributed within the US as well?
get creative, buy a raw frame and paint your own shiz... custom work dominates everything...
watch, theres going to be a lead-based powdercoating black market popping up... "hey kid, come lick my bike"
....holy crap, that sounded reeeally sketchy....
get creative, buy a raw frame and paint your own shiz... custom work dominates everything...
watch, theres going to be a lead-based powdercoating black market popping up... "hey kid, come lick my bike"
....holy crap, that sounded reeeally sketchy....
wait so the Americans are stuck with black and white crap? and we get Technicolor'd parts and frames?
thanks docta, and no, the US is the biggest market so they will probably just make everything so it works in the US and have no change in Canada.
No. Read it again. There will be a lot less colours getting put out on parts. Companies will be making the same colours for all parts that go all around the world. No one is stuck with a certain colour. Black and White paints still have to be tested too.
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Have you not read any of the article or any comments?
Its not just the USA that it effects, all countries will be effected...
am i right?
Its not just the USA that it effects, all countries will be effected...
am i right?
You are in a way. It'll effect all countries in terms of price increases and colour limitations and all that. Though, this law is not 100% fully effecting all countries, just things like what I mentioned. What I meant by saying it may be introduced in other countries, is that they may make a law just like this one too...
i think im speaking for all americans when i say i love canada. it f*ckING rocks. besides we are gonna need a place to go when our government gets the U.S. blown up ha ha
Why can't we just eat our paintchips with pride, like we did in the good old days before government regulations?
So can BMX companies get away with saying that a part is made for a 26" bike but really made for bmx?
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OMG I lick my bike all the time!!!!
I had no idea how dangerous it was.
This is a real eye opener for all of the folk out there who "over love" their trusty steed....
I had no idea how dangerous it was.
This is a real eye opener for all of the folk out there who "over love" their trusty steed....
this is weak! stupid regulations.
does this mean we will see some sick deals on new '09 bikes that need to be moved ASAP?
does this mean we will see some sick deals on new '09 bikes that need to be moved ASAP?
The following should help explain this. Not saying I agree or disagree with the lead regulation on bikes however.
I work in the health and safety industry, and regularely do lead paint testing. The tests (not sure which ones they will use) usually cost around $50.00 to determine the lead content of paint, although they may be using a more expensive test criteria. This should not be a difficult regulation for the industry to follow.
For children, the primary route of entry for lead exposure is oral, by either putting a painted surface in their mouth or by touching it and putting their fingers in their mouth. This regulations is most likely aimed at younger children.
A similar regulation exists for household paints (under the US Housing and Urban Development program) because there is widespread developmental damage to children in the US from lead paint exposure, because younger kids are much more sensitive to the effects of lead exposure.
Hope that helps explain what seems like an arcane regulation.
I work in the health and safety industry, and regularely do lead paint testing. The tests (not sure which ones they will use) usually cost around $50.00 to determine the lead content of paint, although they may be using a more expensive test criteria. This should not be a difficult regulation for the industry to follow.
For children, the primary route of entry for lead exposure is oral, by either putting a painted surface in their mouth or by touching it and putting their fingers in their mouth. This regulations is most likely aimed at younger children.
A similar regulation exists for household paints (under the US Housing and Urban Development program) because there is widespread developmental damage to children in the US from lead paint exposure, because younger kids are much more sensitive to the effects of lead exposure.
Hope that helps explain what seems like an arcane regulation.
i think this is stupid. if the goverment are goin to do this they should also do something to stop the price of the parts goin up aswell
Unfortunately I think this writer grossly underestimates just how much this will impact the US BMX industry. Canada will suffer too as stated, no one knows which parts will come to the US. Get ready to see the small market companies go bye bye or start making 26" products only. No one but the big companies will be left. Only ones making MTB's as their main products. Sorry, but it's going to happen. You remember reading this...
I don't think it will vanish the small companies, but more so prevent new ones from being created. There is a thing up on BMXUNION with questions to BMX company owners about this and none of them are thinking that small companies will go bye-bye. They will just have to slightly increase prices, and slow down manufacturing. Example of small company is Seshin BMX. It's a Canadian company, and you will not be seeing it disappear anytime soon.
This is fully legit, the Bmx race brand Kuwahara already folded like cheap beach chair over this. The brands that remain will have to add serious $$$$$ to the cost of a bike just to survive. Theres also a detailed thread on www.vintagebmx.com Good luck to any of Companies trying to fight this.
"the sad truth is that anything with the wheel diameter of 24" and under is certified a toy."........ummmm 99% of cars have under 24 inch wheels so what, cars are classified as toys? That is really weird since you can't drive a car till your 16???
Well that is what I'm questioning. A bike is a mode of transportation just like a car, so why is it classified as a toy?
BMX a toy?? WTF!! Thats sad to ear.. For some riders BMX its a way of LIFE!!!! How can they classifie that as a toy??
Lucky 26's....
Lucky 26's....
or maybe they should just try to develop paints that are lead free. there shouldn't be any lead in paint knowing some of it's health effects. Just one more reason to keep production within canada and the states. it's extremely difficult to regulate anything that is coming from overseas, especially if it is the cheaper stuff.
All products made in the USA, and painted in the USA have to get tested too if being sold in the USA. There is lead free paint out there, but I don't think it's any good to be used on metal.
HAHAHAHAH! Know what this means? It's the beginning of the "raw"-look era!!!
Buy frame as raw, paint it up yourself, or at the shop next door!
Buy frame as raw, paint it up yourself, or at the shop next door!
bloody americans. it might seem like a good idea to get rid of lead in paint but these idiots fail to see how this could affect smaller companies. health and saftey has gone too far.
i didn't know you could anodize steel :\
which is what most bmxes are made of... as well as street/jump frames that use 24" wheels...
which is what most bmxes are made of... as well as street/jump frames that use 24" wheels...
i tried to point this out yesterday but,somebody kept deleting my comments! anodizing is a surface hardening treatment for ALUMINIUM.steel,wich most bmx an jump frames are made from can be plated tho.chrome or nickle for instance.does any body know if clear laquer has lead in it?
it was in an mbuk... im sure u could just google "spank anodized chains" and it'l pop up with something
A price increase would suck, but maybe people will stop making their bikes look like clown bikes with all those bright colors now??
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It is funny that its consider a toy in the US, especially since if you are caught riding one to fast, or on a sidewalk in some areas, or just in general at lets say a stair set at a library, you walk away with a vehicular mischief ticket. What BS! As for the price increase on parts, if you ride 20 inch, just stick to Dan's comp! they are the best that I know of for new parts pricing
If companies increase pricing, Dans Comp will to... PS: Empire BMX for the win. They match Dans Comp prices too.
dans comp will be just as affected man,.. its not the dealers being affected its the manufacturers.. so everything on Dans Comp carries will increase the same as all the other bikes..
Nelson, you may not know this but if you havent already that ticket is totally fightable. Had the same thing happen to a buddy of mine and the whole 24" = toy thing saved his ass, judge dismissed the case after he brought the bike in and a copy of the actual cpsc statement... he just said, "if I'm riding a "toy" how exactly is that considered a "vehicle"... Judge said the cop could have ticketed him for "malicious mischief" or "disturbing the peace" but not vehicular.
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*facepalm* Again, all the colours will be the same in every country! They won't be making specific colours for specific countries.
some companies actually do its just not announced like if you want teal go to europe if you want red order from mongolia it depends on the market
its like how in north america the old jackal came as frame only but for a while you could get it in a full build in europe
its like how in north america the old jackal came as frame only but for a while you could get it in a full build in europe
Not many BMX companies actually do it though. They all make the same frame, and paint it the same colours for all the countries. VERY rarely you will see something like that. Custom order, maybe.
they should just sell a bike raw and throw in some sticks and a coupon for spraypaint or a custom paint shop
A coupon? Well, what good will that do? The customer would have to ship the frame to the company that made the frame. Guess what, the paint would have to be tested there too!
if its a ruduced price on the frame with a coupon for some spray paint or a local custom paint place since the paint is bought inside the u.s its already approved lead free
sounds like free parts to me 
all the stuff they know might not make the grade could get given away b4 the 10th 
im sure they have some stuff that they know wont pass
all the stuff they know might not make the grade could get given away b4 the 10th im sure they have some stuff that they know wont pass
They will most likely outsource the parts to distributors in other country's to be sold, and shops, well who knows about what may happen there. Free stuff though? Not really.
I Dont know if anyone has already posted this but ill post it anyway..
http://www.petitiononline.com/BMXCPSC/
it was on the comeup a while ago but if you really want to help out bmx then please do...
and also just post it everywhere i know its spaming but at least its good spaming.
http://www.petitiononline.com/BMXCPSC/
it was on the comeup a while ago but if you really want to help out bmx then please do...
and also just post it everywhere i know its spaming but at least its good spaming.
Yeah, its the Government, nothing happens over night when it comes to the Government. The chances are minuscule that that petition will help, especially with a start up date so imminently approaching.
The cycling community may seem large to us simply because we are well informed, only due to the fact that it is our passion / hobby. I don't think it seems that large to an organization that is trying to keep children safe, from a potentially dangerous situation.
I see their point calling a BMX bike, a toy. A BMX was my first bike when I was 3. Plus, traffic laws state that it is illegal to ride a 26" wheel bike on a sidewalk because it is classified as a vehicle and must be ridden on the road. So 24" wheel and under bikes are considered toys because usually only kids ride them, on the sidewalks and not on the roadways. If they reclassified BMXs as vehicles then they would have to amend the law to state, all bikes with wheels sizes 20" and over should be ridden on the road, and not the sidewalks. The roads are not the safest place to be riding a bike whilst learning. Look what happened to Rachael Atherton, and she is a pro at riding bikes.
I agree it sucks, but it seems to be the trend these days. You gotta keep your consumers and their families safe, so they will spend more money down the road. Its what drives the economy, its what keeps the tax dollars rolling in.
The cycling community may seem large to us simply because we are well informed, only due to the fact that it is our passion / hobby. I don't think it seems that large to an organization that is trying to keep children safe, from a potentially dangerous situation.
I see their point calling a BMX bike, a toy. A BMX was my first bike when I was 3. Plus, traffic laws state that it is illegal to ride a 26" wheel bike on a sidewalk because it is classified as a vehicle and must be ridden on the road. So 24" wheel and under bikes are considered toys because usually only kids ride them, on the sidewalks and not on the roadways. If they reclassified BMXs as vehicles then they would have to amend the law to state, all bikes with wheels sizes 20" and over should be ridden on the road, and not the sidewalks. The roads are not the safest place to be riding a bike whilst learning. Look what happened to Rachael Atherton, and she is a pro at riding bikes.
I agree it sucks, but it seems to be the trend these days. You gotta keep your consumers and their families safe, so they will spend more money down the road. Its what drives the economy, its what keeps the tax dollars rolling in.
Of course it's a big problems. Most likely you have not watched the news at all to see all the problems with it in toys. VERY big problem.
If it hits the news as the main story for 7 days in a row, it is a big deal. High amount of leads in paint in toys IS a big deal. There is no way of getting around that this is a big deal.
Most people aren't aware that lead remains a top environmental health hazard for US children. More than one in 25 American children have blood lead levels high enough to lower IQ or cause learning disabilities, violent behavior, attention-deficit disorder or hyperactivity.
Sorry Dotca you were right
Sorry Dotca you were right
Hm,
good that I normally ride 26". But you can just paint your part's somewhere else, it's not that expensive. We will see, what it will do to the small companys, but I don't think it will be that much.
good that I normally ride 26". But you can just paint your part's somewhere else, it's not that expensive. We will see, what it will do to the small companys, but I don't think it will be that much.
he said "YOU" can get your stuff painted else where, not the companies. therefore it does not need to be tested. if somebody spraypaints their bike, i dont think the cops are gunna be running them down and taking the bike away because of potential lead in the paint.....
If the new regulations come into effect from 10 feb and the companies are supposed to sell out all their old products in the US by then, imagine all those discount prices!!!)
Think positive, embrace the opportunity!
Here in russia due to the crisis we've already seen a 40% price increase in certain bikeshops without any new lame legislation(((
Think positive, embrace the opportunity!
Here in russia due to the crisis we've already seen a 40% price increase in certain bikeshops without any new lame legislation(((
I'd put the health and safety regarding young kids ahead of paying a little extra on something I don't need to survive.
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It still has to be tested by the CPSC. That is the reason it is taking place to make sure the the paints used are safe for children. The whole reason this is happening, is to ensure the quality of materials used to paint the frames are safe for use by children, be it riding it, chewing it, or licking it.
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fethu good thing i ride a 26 inch DJ..at least i can have my colors..i feel sorry for my freinds who ride BMX...They cant have their colors :SOB:
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Still affected. Anything that is made to be used as a 24" or under bike component is needed to follow these regulations.
chrome wooooo,. fogot about that but alot of parts are AL.. also can we have more raw finish clear coated frames, or galvanize....
OK so just to clear this up, what does this effect? regardless of where parts or bikes are bought 99.9% are made an painted in the far east.why cant the factorys be tested instead of the bike companys products,oh yea because most far east factorys like the officials that thought up this crap are corrupt!
what about hand made/home grown products that never go any where near china,i think they still need to be tested if they gonna be sold in the u.s
i can see the point in mass produce companys like haro or mongoose but not when it comes to companys like S&M or curtis for instance
p.s rules were made to BROKEN!
what about hand made/home grown products that never go any where near china,i think they still need to be tested if they gonna be sold in the u.s
i can see the point in mass produce companys like haro or mongoose but not when it comes to companys like S&M or curtis for instance
p.s rules were made to BROKEN!
Durr. Read! READ! READ!!!!!!!!!! ALL parts, frames, bikes being sold in the US that have a 24" or under wheel diameter will need to be tested for lead levels before they can enter the USA and be sold. So, S&M and all those companies will need to be tested too.
you cant make one rule for one bmx company and another rule for the other, both mongoose and s&m are popular brands adn they both sell products to be used in the same way... there should be no difference in the rules... that was pure silly talk *bitch slaps*
Yes you can. Any bikes with a wheel size over 24" is not considered a toy, and has to follow the same rules as a vehicle. Ones under are considered a toy, and don't follow the rules that bikes over 24" wheel size do. Different rules can be applied on bikes with different wheel sizes.
durr yo,self an er bitch slap yo,self.what if the no u.s made custom hand made frame is imported to the u.s UNPAINTED!!!!!
i wasnt talking about 2 diffo wheelsizes lol, you mentioned two different 20inch companies having different rules...? :S
i'm just thinking about u.k companys.they gotta pass on the cost of this testing to the customer.maybe they could ONLY increase the price of bikes/frames/parts exported to the u.s if its they who want this testing. i have a frend who works in the industry an already one major rider owned/run u.k bmx company(who have major sales in the u.s) are having trouble with the price increase
i'm just trying to say that big corparations that own companys like mongoose or haro can probably afford this
smaller home grown rider owned companys will suffer....because of some polititian in an office that has'nt got a clue about our sport
p.s sighn the petition
i'm just trying to say that big corparations that own companys like mongoose or haro can probably afford this
smaller home grown rider owned companys will suffer....because of some polititian in an office that has'nt got a clue about our sport
p.s sighn the petition
I dont think it actually has to do with going out of your way and licking your bike... i think if there is lead in the paint it can get inside your body from a cut or whatever. And i know that from riding bmx you get a cut here and there.
Fair enough but to me just sounds as stupid as tomatos giving you cancer.... sounds like another way to get more tax dollars everything is bad for you these days nothing is healthy
I saw the petition for getting rid of this idea or what ever that was, I say why not restart a petition saying government should fund this testing??
I saw the petition for getting rid of this idea or what ever that was, I say why not restart a petition saying government should fund this testing??
can't you just strip your frame down and paint it with spray paint, like they spray cars or motorbikes, or is there still paint in that? if so thats a waste
I thought it was ridiculous when I read that these regulations also apply to books. It's even more asinine with bikes.
if a kid's chewing on paint chips from his bike like it was candy maybe he deserves to be culled from the herd. or maybe at least his parents should be.
if a kid's chewing on paint chips from his bike like it was candy maybe he deserves to be culled from the herd. or maybe at least his parents should be.
What can I say, lead is really bad for you, whether you lick your frame or not. Not licking your bike just means you get a bit less exposure. 600 ppm of lead is still alot, though, if they're gonna bother to make a regulation, they might as well DO it. IMO
so you're saying that led is bad for us, but aslong as we ride a 20 or 24inch toy we're all gonna be saved from the led o' doom, BUT if you ride a 2six bike, you're gonna suffer from the led o' doom?! it doesn't make sence tbh, so whatabout companies liek NS that make the suburban in 24 and 26versions, the extra mm on the frames means they need completely different paint lol? ohwell, funny times eh?
Not different paint, just paint that falls under the regulations. I'm sure they will most likely use the paint on both of their 24 and 26" frames, as it will most likely be a better alternative for removing lead out of stuff like that.
This is stupid if it is considered a toy becuase kids(people under 18 use it) then y arent cars and 24" and 26" have the same rules and these regulations r going to ruin bmx as we know less flashy bikes and less variety, and more expensive this just pisses me off more than anything else
It won't ruin BMX. Not even close to be ruining BMX. Why would a car be considered a toy. Think about it... 24" bikes ARE under these regulations. Who knows, maybe 26" bikes will fall under it too.
yeah dude its not going to ruin bmx by any means, if anything all the new colors are kind of obnoxious. I remember when the best color for a bike was either chrome or just black.
the flashy colors are part of bmx now whether u like it or not and there calling it a toy cuz kids use it and to me a kid is anyone under 18 and people under 18 drive cars and ride 26" bikes
I dont understand why it singles out bmx bikes and 24" bikes saying that they are toys and they are for kids. Isnt lead bad for just about anyone on this earth? I just dont understand why it has to those two bicycles have to be singled out.
they will find a way around it and besides all bmx shit is going to be more expensive idk y ur happy
Find away around it, I highly doubt that they will unless the regulation is vanished. I'm happy because neon colours will most likely be gone, as it's just a dumb lame trend. Not happy about prices going up though...
ya that has nothing to do the number if they r concerned about kids safety it should be anything kids touch and y r they concerned for kids and not everyone
what the hell i never said i was happy i could care less to be honest because i dont spend my money on bmx parts anymore!! Maybe they're just doing this because they are thinking of peoples health. I can tell you that drinking a bottle of mountain dew everyday is probably a lot worse than the lead in bike frames. bmx frames. which i recently learned are for children!
i drink them tho cuz i love them and u only have one life to live so i dont care about that or the lead paint
LOL just more proof that bmx bike are for childern. why they did this is because most bikes you see 24" and below are made for childern. i know blah blah blah what about NS what about BMX companies not made for childern. well you can't have your pie and eat it too. safty first for consumers. say what you want but this is the price of doing business in a ever changing market.
They could easily change the rules too, and enforce this on 26" wheels also... Just with a snap of the fingers, it's changed pretty easily.
these regulations have been in the works, i remember hearing about these a while ago, there are quite a few more regulations to come on 24" and below too. this is just the start. and as for 26" bikes, thoes are big boy bikes not childerns we don't lick our frames (unless to much acid is involved)also i bet you could look at how many adult BMX bike are made and i bet more childern bikes are sold and made. so why should they make aceptions for a nitch market? apples are apples and a 20" bike is a 20" bike in the governments eyes.
yes and if people would stop eating the lead paint we could maybe not be so protective but we live in a sue happy society where nothing is your own fault
rofl... gogo anodize something else than aluminium... + it would be stupid: "oh another red bike..."
I hope that you are trying to make a joke because you can anodize any that can conduct an electrical current. Also in case you did not know anodizing come in a wide variety of colors and textures. You can also have "marble" or "rainbow" effect with anodizing.
Also anodizing is way stronger than paint and lighter because only a thin layer of material is applied compared to painting where you have at least 3 layers (base coat, actual paint, and clear coat(s)).
Also anodizing is way stronger than paint and lighter because only a thin layer of material is applied compared to painting where you have at least 3 layers (base coat, actual paint, and clear coat(s)).
You saying you would strip the paint because its making the bike lighter? And yeah. There is few color options, but cheap walmart brands will do the coatings as cheap as possible. Im a car painter, so i can say that painting is the way to go...
Wow little buddy,
I don't even know where to start. who talked about stripping paint? Paint is heavier than anodizing PERIOD. I've tried to say they should start anodizing instead of painting because of the current problems with lead. Also you are saying that wallmart will make cheap coating, of course they will. Last I've checked wallmart was not selling bikes like the ones you see on this website.
Your arguments are stupid and unfounded, you assume thing that i did not remotely say. the only disadvantages of anodizing you should have tried should have been:
- anodizing is expensive when making a small batch,
- anodizing does not have metallic, pearl, or candy finish,
- anodizing does not have as much shine as paint because of the lack of clear coat.
In addition, you could have talked about powder coating, maybe it would have added a "layer" to your argument as we are talking about the lead content in paint and kids sucking on it.
I don't even know where to start. who talked about stripping paint? Paint is heavier than anodizing PERIOD. I've tried to say they should start anodizing instead of painting because of the current problems with lead. Also you are saying that wallmart will make cheap coating, of course they will. Last I've checked wallmart was not selling bikes like the ones you see on this website.
Your arguments are stupid and unfounded, you assume thing that i did not remotely say. the only disadvantages of anodizing you should have tried should have been:
- anodizing is expensive when making a small batch,
- anodizing does not have metallic, pearl, or candy finish,
- anodizing does not have as much shine as paint because of the lack of clear coat.
In addition, you could have talked about powder coating, maybe it would have added a "layer" to your argument as we are talking about the lead content in paint and kids sucking on it.
After reading more of the comments and making some research it came to may attention that most bmx frames are made from steel which anodization process equivalents are galvanization and the widely know stainless steel.
Color sequence for stainless steel:brown-blue-yellow-redish or brown-purple-green.
Color sequence for stainless steel:brown-blue-yellow-redish or brown-purple-green.
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Some of these comments, wow.
led paint is the least of worries. How about the Chinese using date rap drugs in there paint. when are people going to smarten up and stop buying from china. they literally are poisoning us. http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/08/toy.recall/index.html
does this affect parts.... like cranks and hubs. cus they can fit on any size bike.....
Damn i made a bad decision getting a 24" mtb
Damn i made a bad decision getting a 24" mtb
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intense? haha, no i didnt mean it for frameset cause i thought this rule aplies for all parts and such... so i figured cranks seatpost stems hubs etc wheels etc... and yeah im pretty sure everyone knows ano is only for AL or at least they should... do u beleive companies will be doing more clear coated raw finish frames,, or does clear coat contain lead oxide?
also it mentioned 24 inch bikes and lower.. their is thousands of 24 inch bikes that or made of aluminum....
I wouldn't blame the US for it, I'd blame the parents that don't teach their children common sense. These are also the same people that go to walmart to get their kids a bicycle. Overall, I'm a bit ashamed with how far the government has gone to protect "us" from ourselves.
I think they will still continue what they are doing now, just drop a few colours and do a LOT less LTD colours. Stick to the basic black and white frames, and that. How many companies will actually anodize their whole entire frame though?
Sucks for everyone especially us Nzers
It already reallyreally expensive for a bmx frame($700)
and now the price willl go up just so its lickable
Complete bullshit
They should classify 24inch wheels and under as bikes not toys
I know my bmx is not my toy...
but what can you do the american government doesnt give a shit
It already reallyreally expensive for a bmx frame($700)
and now the price willl go up just so its lickable
Complete bullshit
They should classify 24inch wheels and under as bikes not toys
I know my bmx is not my toy...
but what can you do the american government doesnt give a shit
okay everyone seems to be missing the point here and asuming that bike prices are going to skyrocket and small companies will instantly die, most us regulations like this have many rules and fine print. althought the price of testing is high if your factory regularly passes tests than you will be tested less, as for small companies most of them have the sence not to use shit paint anyway, also the final reason this isnt as bad as you all think it is is that, nobody here is looking at how much lead they allow if you have ever looked at how much lead is in bike paint you would see that most bike companies are already well below standard, also if you brits are so smart than how come so many of you asked if this would affect you of coarse it will affect you if the price of a haro goes up in the US then it goes up everywere dumbass there not going to lower the price cause your from the uk or canada.and instead of bitching so much maybe all of you should get together and do something about it write some letters experes your outrage on somthing that the people making this law will see. lawmakers dont like pinkbike, come on people be constructive
Your absolutely right. Im sure they have some sort of points system like they have for oil company's. Oil company's buy cars from junk yards and get points allowing them to pollute legally. So im sure there going to do something like this for large bike company's. what this means is smaller company's wont be able to compete. Every time they want to put a new bike or part out they have to piss out over a grand for every new part on that bike and COLOR so it can be tested. So we will not see any new small start up company's from the pro bike riders any more 
well you see most small companies use powder coating which doesnt have lead, and any company would save money in the long run to powder coat anyway, and the ones that still paint normaly use high grade paint to attract customers. small companies also have inheritly more expensive products anyway. also they arent testing every part on every bike they will be testing all the paint on one bike per batch which isnt that much should raise the price of a bike more than a few dollars
I used to powdercoat at lighting cycles powder coat all tho polyester based contains lead based pigments and powder coat from china has tons of lead in it. Company's contract there parts to be built in Chinese build houses who powdercoat the parts as well. They are testing every new bike every new part and every new color. What this does is add extra cost to putting new parts and colors out it also adds time to how long it takes a part to leave research and development and land on store shelf's.
They could just primer parts for people to paint stuff themselves or better yet ANODIZE ALL ALUMINUM PARTS.
in all fairness....ok maby wev all licked out bikes when they were brand spanking new....but who cares...the leads not going to kill us is it?
every one up untill now who has EVER ridden a bike with X amount of lead in the paint hasnt just droped dead or become critically ill have they?
its bollocksy health and safty, or the "Fun Police" just ruining it all.
i beleave its just some nazi way of making every oen conform to a certain code only known by the ones who make up this shit they call "regulations".
all this means now is spending MORE money one bits we want, then finding some way of spending money we probably dont have one making it the color we want, theres now going to be alot of shoddy paint work, and probably a whole new generation of amazing painter
.
in a way i welcom the thought of alot of "DIY paint jobs" its alot more individual. and some will be very good and nice to look at.
but on the other hand, in the next few years all were going to be allowed to own is RAWR metal products and bike, what about the chemicals in colored rubber tires?
lubes and greases?
the "Fun Police" have really started to take things to far in my opinion.
bring back the good old days of ASPESTOS and toxic waste laying around, no ones dumb enough to roll in it are they?
if we know the risks, we wont f*ck with them, but jsut give us the option, dont tell us what to do
peace, rant over xxx
every one up untill now who has EVER ridden a bike with X amount of lead in the paint hasnt just droped dead or become critically ill have they?
its bollocksy health and safty, or the "Fun Police" just ruining it all.
i beleave its just some nazi way of making every oen conform to a certain code only known by the ones who make up this shit they call "regulations".
all this means now is spending MORE money one bits we want, then finding some way of spending money we probably dont have one making it the color we want, theres now going to be alot of shoddy paint work, and probably a whole new generation of amazing painter
.
in a way i welcom the thought of alot of "DIY paint jobs" its alot more individual. and some will be very good and nice to look at.
but on the other hand, in the next few years all were going to be allowed to own is RAWR metal products and bike, what about the chemicals in colored rubber tires?
lubes and greases?
the "Fun Police" have really started to take things to far in my opinion.
bring back the good old days of ASPESTOS and toxic waste laying around, no ones dumb enough to roll in it are they?
if we know the risks, we wont f*ck with them, but jsut give us the option, dont tell us what to do
peace, rant over xxx
All so, how can they call a 24" a toy? or even a bmx?
iv never known a child under the age of...what 4? being able to ride a bike completely on its own and at free will. all bikes are a mode of transport, and a mechanical device, mass produced for work and pleasure, i think its rather offensive to us "die hard" riders who ride bmx and 24's to be generalized into the "Playing with our toys" category. it makes us sound like f*cking children.
again im sorry this has just really got to me.
rant is now really over
iv never known a child under the age of...what 4? being able to ride a bike completely on its own and at free will. all bikes are a mode of transport, and a mechanical device, mass produced for work and pleasure, i think its rather offensive to us "die hard" riders who ride bmx and 24's to be generalized into the "Playing with our toys" category. it makes us sound like f*cking children.
again im sorry this has just really got to me.
rant is now really over
Actually, the funny thing is I was inspecting an asbestos enclosure today and a couple of contractors were in there messing around in the stuff with no masks on. So ya, lots of people are actually that dumb. I just thought I would add that cause its hilarious.
Lead paint is an accumulative poison. It won't kill you 'till you are too old to enjoy bike riding anyhow. So eat it, lick it, rub it all over your cuts.
jeeeesus these people are retarted!!!! who is licking their bik which oh by the way is probably dirty most of the time? and if you did you wouldnt get sick.. you would have to like eat the f*cking paint to get sick...the dumbasses
I dont know if this has been mentioned yet, but this isnt just affecting all our favourite bmx companies. The law is propably more designed for bikes from wal-mart and k-mart, which im sure you all agree are "toys" and companies that produce these bikes are most likely going to the ones using lead paint, not haro or sunday.
The government though cannot just pass legislation that says any bike from k-mart/wal-amrt must be subjected to lead paint testing. Simply they do a survey and find most kids 12 and under ride a bike that is under 24" wheels. Now i guarantee you that 90% of these kids are just riding bikes from k-mart, and its those who this regulations are targeting, but for the rest of the companies making bmx bikes, it will be a regulation they must do.
Just out of curiosity though, why cant these tests be done one step back at the source where the paint comes from?
The government though cannot just pass legislation that says any bike from k-mart/wal-amrt must be subjected to lead paint testing. Simply they do a survey and find most kids 12 and under ride a bike that is under 24" wheels. Now i guarantee you that 90% of these kids are just riding bikes from k-mart, and its those who this regulations are targeting, but for the rest of the companies making bmx bikes, it will be a regulation they must do.
Just out of curiosity though, why cant these tests be done one step back at the source where the paint comes from?
Holy carp. Paint chips aren't the issue. Any contact kids have with lead (i.e. touching a lead-painted surface) and then eating food, smoking a fattie, eating an apple, etc. has a potential impact on their intelligence. This isn't just a paint chip issue. The acceptable exposure level for lead is really really low for kids. Most paint colours do not require lead. It whitens, brightens, and adds longevity to paint colours, but it is in no way required to make good paint. I suggest that the industry suck it up and source their paints better. In my opinion, this issue will affect the industry for a year at most, because Chinese factories can source better paints as well as anyone. The retail house paint market went through this same changeover and is still around.
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wtf so ppl will have to pay more money coz some dumb ass is going to like there f*cking frame dont think so thats stupid
GRR! You guys don't seem to understand this. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO TARGET US WITH THIS! The law is made to protect kids, KIDS! 12 and under. RAWR! They are made to protect paint in Walmart and those bikes sold in department stores where the MAJORITY of the bikes under 24" are sold. Do a little research in this, and it's also out their to prevent lead from going into landfills and contaminating the water supply. Please, do some research before I see another retarded comment like those. PLEASE!
if you got 24" bike some company should make wheels that are 24" and a half so yu can lick yur frame all day :L
:L
All we had to eat when i was a kid was pencils and acid rain and the only transportation we had was bikes made of only lead based paint and I'm fine. also my parent's were painters and we lived in a lead mine.
y are they so worried...how many kids die every year from licking there bike and get sick from lead...probly like 1 or 2...its a minor risk...take a f*ckin chance n live a little lol
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Docta, color is not an issue here... it's the paint that needs to be tested - NOT different colors of that same paint. If a paint has the accepted lead content level, it can be produced in different colors without testing all the colors. It's the same paint, regardless of the color.
think the safest bet would be to buy a bike now before the prices hike up!! can see them stoppin ppl paintin their own bikes tho.
jus thinkin tho, surely the sample cost (1500) doesnt apply to every frame i.e. out of 1000 frames a small number will be sampled so divide the sample cost by the number of frames and ur talkin a really small price increase.
jus thinkin tho, surely the sample cost (1500) doesnt apply to every frame i.e. out of 1000 frames a small number will be sampled so divide the sample cost by the number of frames and ur talkin a really small price increase.
This is not getting to the heart of the problem.
There should be a law against lead being added to paint in the first place. It should be the responsibility of the paint manufacturer to have tests conducted on their paint by independent testing facilities, and the cost for those tests should be covered by the paint manufacturers themselves.
Then if there are any traces of lead found in products it can be traced back to that particular paint company and they could either be fined or shut down completely.
I know the biggest problem with that idea is the lack of control we have over what goes on in China and other foreign countries, but maybe its time to start bringing more manufacturing jobs back to North America anyway... but thats a whole other topic.
There should be a law against lead being added to paint in the first place. It should be the responsibility of the paint manufacturer to have tests conducted on their paint by independent testing facilities, and the cost for those tests should be covered by the paint manufacturers themselves.
Then if there are any traces of lead found in products it can be traced back to that particular paint company and they could either be fined or shut down completely.
I know the biggest problem with that idea is the lack of control we have over what goes on in China and other foreign countries, but maybe its time to start bringing more manufacturing jobs back to North America anyway... but thats a whole other topic.
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